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Reasons not to file bankruptcy or settle your debts

When all the money you make each month isn’t enough to pay your minimum payments it can be quite disheartening. Your thoughts may drift into the worlds of bankruptcy and debt settlement. I remember in the summer of 2005 not being able to make ends meet and not sleeping well. My phone was ringing off the hook from bill collectors and I was extremely stressed out. It really seemed as though there was no way out. The real problem was that I didn’t know what my options were. This article is full of useful information about the consequences of defaulting on your creditors.  So take your time to review this post and feel free to add your comments at the end. To hear a podcast of this article in windows media player click hereSee also DebtPrison related article How to settle your debts on your own.

Bankruptcy is a permanent negative mark on your credit file

Bankruptcy is bad for a variety of reasons. First and foremost, it means your going back on your word. If you aren’t the type of person that is interested in honoring your commitments then this article isn’t for you. By all means - go ahead and give your money to some lawyers. But if honoring your word means something to you, then relax and take a deep breath, everything is going to be O.K..


Bankruptcy is a life changing experience. You’ve seen the loan applications that have that question ‘Have you ever filed bankruptcy?’ It doesn’t specify in the last seven years. So once you go down that road, you’re branded as untrustworthy or High Risk. Don’t get me wrong. Eventually your credit score will improve and you’ll be able to borrow money again. But bankruptcy should be the last option - only after you’ve honestly tried every other avenue and failed.

Bankruptcy lawyers represent you in bankruptcy court. Since these lawyers make a profit off your financial crisis, I would recommend speaking to them last.

A judge could very well confiscate all your assets and sell them, giving the cash to your debtors. If you stopped frivolous spending, worked two jobs, and sold everything you didn’t need - could you avoid bankruptcy? If the answer is yes then it’s time to put together a plan. Becoming financially disciplined is a skill that once mastered, keeps your life on the right financial track. Avoiding bankruptcy and working hard to overcome your debt will have a positive effect on your life, financially and emotionally. See also DebtPrison related article How to deal with collection agencies.

Debt settlement strategy - avoid third parties

Perhaps you’ve seen the commercials on television. Some nice financial do-gooders who are going to help you lower your monthly note while at the same time settling your credit card debts for a fraction of what you owe. It seems like such a wonderful idea. Basic premise: you save money while sticking it to those BMW driving Bank CEO’s. I have to give this subject some extra attention. Bankruptcy and settling your credit card debt is a large part of the problem driving today’s high credit card rates. After I failed to pay Bank of America and Citibank for three consecutive months my interest rate went from 21% up to 32.6%. This is called the default rate and is applied to a customer when they become High Risk.

Believe me I was angry and wrote them letters requesting it be lowered. Of course they didn’t and looking back I don’t blame them. Basically the Bank is using me to settle the score against the people that do in fact file bankruptcy or settle their accounts. Since they are losing money by loaning to those High Risk customers they need to recoup it from others. Hence 32.6% default rate.

The Banking sector in today’s market is without a doubt one of the most profitable endeavors. American culture has convinced everyone that they need anything they want and now (when they can’t afford it) instead of later (when they could afford it). Banks are not all bad. They keep this monster machine rolling. People can build houses and buy cars because of banks. Our economy is dependent upon them and they should be profitable. This doesn’t make me feel all good inside either but it’s still what makes the cookie crumble. The point is that this default rate is necessary. Not to mention that it wouldn’t be my problem if I had been more responsible in the first place.

The problem with using the financial do-gooders is that they fail to mention the negative consequences of using their service. Back in the summer of 2005 I called one of these companies I had seen advertised. A person answered the phone and asked me some questions about my income and my bills. In three minutes she had concluded that I was eligible to be in their program. It happened so fast I felt like I was another victim of a high pressure sales presentation.

Under the guidance of their opportunistic lawyers I would pay their company $600 per month. Of this $600 they would keep $60 for themselves (handling fees?) and the rest would go into an account which they would watch over for me. When this account had reached a certain amount, they would make the first Bank an offer. For example, I owed Bank of America $6,800. Once my account has about $3,500 they make Bank of America an offer to settle at roughly 50%. It becomes a bargaining game as Bank of America shoots for a higher percentage.

These lawyers (negotiating on my behalf), tell Bank of America that if they don’t take the offer then this money will be offered to Citibank as a settlement and they might accept it. This means that Bank of America may be looking at another year or two before they get another offer from me the client! If you are like me then you’re probably asking yourself Why can’t I just do this myself and keep my money? You can.

What’s bad about this is that you’re now giving money to a third party that could be applied to your debts. And this third party now has ALL of your money. Does that sound like a good idea to you - someone else having all your money? In the package that these lawyers sent to me, it described the manner in which I could confiscate my funds away from them, if in the course of things, I changed my mind and wanted my money back. From what I can remember reading it didn’t sound like fun.

Also, while all of this is going on, your credit history and score suffers. And even once the balances are settled, you’re still left with a gaping hole in your credit report. This means that on future loans you’ll pay a higher interest rate. Paying a higher interest rate on future loans will prove more costly than paying what you owe and salvaging your credit now. Not to mention, while your money is growing in their account the interest and fees are still being charged to the money you owe Bank of America.

So what started out as $6,800 one year later is now $10,220! Once I received this packet of information (which I paid $50.00 for) I realized there was even more for me to worry about. It stated that monies I owed Citibank could not be settled - so I would still owe Citibank the full amount. It was actually an AT&T Universal credit card. But as it turns out, Citibank had bought them out some time ago. These professors of law and good will didn’t tell me this - I found out about it on my own.

That was enough for me! No third parties. They make your life worse while profiting off your ignorance. My advice is to fight for your credit. Don’t take the easy way out. Busting your tail to pay off ALL of your debts might be tough, but you’ll salvage your integrity and your credit report. Hope this article helped.

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16 Responses to “Reasons not to file bankruptcy or settle your debts”


  1.   SueM Says:

    This helped a lot - thanks for the education and for sharing your experience/research.

  2.   Debt Prison Says:

    Your welcome. Too many people try and take the easy road out not realizing that there is no easy road. And what’s really needed is some discipline. Debt settlement agencies, ruin your credit, hoard all your money, and perform a service which you could just as easily perform from the comfort of your own home. Bankruptcy is an option for some people, I realize this. But debt settlement isn’t. If you can settle your debts and ruin your credit score you might as well just tough it out, pay them, and salvage your credit.

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  5.   Debt Consolidation Says:

    So that’s why they would tell you that you can “settle your debt for half the price”!

    Yes, I agree, prevention is always better than cure, if you can’t afford something, I say don’t buy it.

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  7.   Steve "The Debt Settlement Man" B Says:

    Can you settle your debts on your own? Sure. Can you sell your house on your own? Sure. Can you defend yourself in court? Sure.

    Word to the wise though if you do not know how to go about dealing with the creditors and collectors you could find yourself in a horrible situation. I have spoken with many headstrong people who thought they could just do it on their own and ended up with lawsuits up the you know what. And at that point they did not know how to deal with the problem and got slammed with judgements.

    Without proper knowledge of not only how to deal with your creditors but also the knowledge of which companies do what and when you can capitalize on great settlements could result in a very negative situation. Either with horrible settlement agreements that if not handled properly could be sold to another collector in which you will find that you now have to pay on a debt you thought you settled, or risk the possibility of being sued and not knowing how to handle it.

    So can you do this on your own? Sure. Should you without putting in the proper time to know how the whole thing works? Hell No!

  8.   Paul The Filing Bankruptcy Guy Says:

    If you are tough-minded and an able negotiator, you can definitely settle on your own. It’s definitely not rocket science. That being said, there is something about experience and being an objective third party that provides strength in the negotiations.

  9.   sam Says:

    Hi, I’m married and living in California, if my spouse can’t pay his debt for more than 6 months now,can the collection agency or government garnish my wages in his behalf for not paying his outstanding debts? t

  10.   Debt Prison Says:

    Hey Sam,

    I’m pretty sure that in California debts are considered to be joint. So I would think that it is possible for the collection to bleed over into your world. Do a little googling on “debt collection spouse california” and see what turns up.

    Good luck!

  11.   phil Says:

    hi i have about $23,000 in unsecure debt, and im seeking help from a debt relief guy that doesnt use consolidation. but i have 1 secure debt that is $13,000 that i now cant afford. i want to pay off the unsecure debt and possibly the secure debt but i dont think i can do both.

    so the secure debt is a motorcycle which is now worth about $6000, i was naive and bought it when i was 18 im now 19 and obviously have a spending habit on the unsecure debt, and i dont have the pink slip for it.

    main problem is what should i do about the secure debt? is repossession just as bad as bankruptcy? or slightly better?

    for the past 9 months now i havent used a credit card, because im stopping my habits. im also a college student and am living at home, and still have a long way for school left. i know i dont want to file bankruptcy, because some jobs want to know if you have filed or not in order to get the job.

    what should i do about the unsecure debt? please email me back

  12.   Debt Prison Says:

    Hey Phil,

    Now don’t be too down on yourself afterall I’ve done this too and nearly every American has in some way. Hell it’s quickly becoming part of the American Dream. It was just 3 years ago when I had 22,000 in credit card debt and 20,000 in secure debt. Yeah those motorcycles are usually a bad idea as you’ve learned. A young friend of mine just got burned on a bad financing deal on a sport bike. Live and learn.

    In your case, unless your parents are going to pay this for you, I’d probably just drop all of it. Because the unsecure debt will just rapidly grow with finance and late payment fees. I think this will be a great experience for you because it looks like you are going to destroy the credit you shouldn’t have at a very young age. Believe me this is a blessing in disquise. You’ve had the pleasure of learning what credit and debt can do to a persons life.

    Based on what I know today I’d let the bike go back and stop paying the cards. You’re not going to make the money at this time to pay the debts back on time. Trust me on this. And try to avoid loans when it comes to your college as well. In fact, you should seriously ask yourself if you are in college for the right reasons and can realistically graduate.

    Sure this will not look good on your credit report but by the time you actually make money later on to use credit for a house - you’ll be able to anyway. But the real problem you’ll have is with the collectors. These guys are vultures and can make a bad day worse.

    I’d let the bike go back, stop paying the cards (unless you have someone who can pay them for you!) and focus on my education and enjoying my life. If you ‘try’ and pay this when you can’t they’ll just treat you like a third class citizen. So I’d focus on school, default on these debts, and then just let the collectors know that you don’t have any money and won’t have any for a long time. Luckily, due to your young age, they won’t be able to collect on these debts. Sure they’ll make threats and tell you a bunch of lies - but the bottom line is they probably won’t be able to collect on it.

    Lastly, if the unsecure debt is credit cards I’d sell anything I’d bought and make one final payment back to them. I’d let them know what happened in a letter (not on the phone) and would just tell them that I’ll make payments at a later date when you make the type of money that perhpas justifies the credit line these nutjobs gave you in the first place. Is there a co-signer on the bike? There probably is, well if so, this is the person who will end up having to deal with the collectors on the bike. This goes for any other debts in which you may have a co-signer. Moral of the story my friend is NEVER CO SIGN WITH ANYONE - NEVER USE CREDIT AGAIN - CREDIT IS USELESS.

    Phil if you have more questions just hit me up. I’ll be glad to help you anyway I can.

    best regards,

    Barry Broome

  13.   phil Says:

    hey barry,

    thanks for the tip and no i dont have a cosigner i did it all at my own. in high school i had a job and got myself a credit card and started building credit like a king. i had my credit check at its peak like 1.3 years ago it was at 780. after i got my motorcycle im now at 620, but i purposly didnt pay any of my bills last month, because i was planning on going into my friends dads debt plan where i pay unsecure debt without consolidating and cutting what i owe by 50%…. anyways what do you mean by default and letting go?

    its hard to let go of the bike but i know i have to, so do i just let it go to repo? im scared of when they will come, because i havent had time to get the after market parts off of it yet.

    or do you want me to file bankruptcy?

    i know repossession stays on your record for UP TO 7 years and bankruptcy for UP TO 10 years, but after the 7 and 10 years…. is that still permanently on my record if i file for them? can it still be searched?

    also yes i do fairly well at school im never giving up my education and for school i dont pay for school thats the only thing my parents pay for so i dont need to worry about that and i can get scholarships and grants.

    i dont need credit at the moment or anytime soon… i can always just use debit, but im more worried about being able to find a job if i file for something like this, unless all alone your just saying repo.

    is there a way i can contact you privately for advice, so that i have an instant response?because time is cutting short for me soon. i believe you have my email, but i would rather call.

    thanks,

    phil

  14.   Debt Prison Says:

    Hey Phil,

    Yes I’ll send you an email so you can contact me in a more private and effecient manner.

  15.   Tony Crook Says:

    In the UK you can get financial debt wrote off under the mental health act! I have been under psychiatrict care since 1995 and have had over £20,000 wrote off under the mental health act here in the UK. Worth looking into I say!

  16.   Debt Prison Says:

    Interesting information - i’ll have to look that up….

    bb

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