Comments on: A Father’s Views on Child Support Law http://debtprison.net/wordpress/227/a-fathers-views-on-child-support-law/ debt, credit, collection agencies, bills, harass Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:33:22 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Jennifer http://debtprison.net/wordpress/227/a-fathers-views-on-child-support-law/comment-page-1/#comment-11172 Jennifer Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:31:35 +0000 http://debtprison.net/wordpress/?p=227#comment-11172 As a minister, an ordained minister, I want to give a big hand clap to those of you who realize the sanctity of marriage. I too disagree with the idea of child support for a woman who willingly bears a child out of wed lock. This is not just an abomination in Christian society, but in the Buddist, Jewish, Muslim...... No up standing religious organization on the planet supports this. There is always the argument that a man "should not have gotten her pregnant". As a woman, you set the standard and should not allow yourself to be impregnated! Afterall, the national average cost for a marriage liscense is $ 25.00. Child birth is life threatening. If you are stupid enough to risk you life in child birth for a man that does not think you are worth trhe $25.00 investment to marry you and cover that baby (spiritually) with the privelege of marriage, then you deserve to suffer. You deserve to be penniless and the detriment of that baby should rest on your shoulders alone. After all, if you and I went and test drove a Porche...... and I deceided that I wanted it....... the dealership would not allow me to have it, and then make you pay for it.....just because you are the one who could afford it..... and you took the test drive with me! They would consider that you did not apply for the car! They would take into account that I cannot afford the car! This is the same difference with child support. If you the woman are making a decision with your body that your wallet cannot support, you should not be allowed to keep posession of the child. The child should be given to the father, and if he does not want it, to the state. After all, when the state takes children from the mother, she is not asked to pay child support to the Foster parents! I think that if you are allowed choices, then men, where there was no privelege of marriage, should be allowed to walk away. Bastard children are not on the same level as covenant children. If you don't agree, read Genesis 21 and 22. Abraham had a bastard child named Ishmael. His presensce began to cause problems in the marriage. God told Abraham not to be saddened about the bondage woman (Haggar the baby mama) and his Seed (Ishmael) but instead to drop them off in the desert and he would take care of them.! He later commends Abraham for his willingness to sacrifice his ONLY son Isaac on the mountain. what is the difference between Ishmael and Isaac? They were both sons of Abraham. Still God did not refer to Ishmael as a Son but as a seed! God must uphold the order that he himself instituted. If he gave the same status to Ishmael that he gave Isaac, he would then spit on the institution of marriage himself. Membership has its privaleges. In short, the ineterest of children hasno bearing on the sanctity of marriage. What God put together let o man put assunder. Placing this obligation on an act of abomination puts marriage assunder. And the women who take part in this are cursed. Statistics show that they are less likely to marry, and the free money child support they recieve is not landing them on Wall street! Strange huh! I say there should be NO child support forced upon a father of out-of -wed lock children. This will teach women to have standards and protect the interest of their children. If you were a husband, then you better stick with those children and find a way to keep the family together. As a minister, an ordained minister, I want to give a big hand clap to those of you who realize the sanctity of marriage. I too disagree with the idea of child support for a woman who willingly bears a child out of wed lock. This is not just an abomination in Christian society, but in the Buddist, Jewish, Muslim…… No up standing religious organization on the planet supports this. There is always the argument that a man “should not have gotten her pregnant”. As a woman, you set the standard and should not allow yourself to be impregnated! Afterall, the national average cost for a marriage liscense is $ 25.00. Child birth is life threatening. If you are stupid enough to risk you life in child birth for a man that does not think you are worth trhe $25.00 investment to marry you and cover that baby (spiritually) with the privelege of marriage, then you deserve to suffer. You deserve to be penniless and the detriment of that baby should rest on your shoulders alone. After all, if you and I went and test drove a Porche…… and I deceided that I wanted it……. the dealership would not allow me to have it, and then make you pay for it…..just because you are the one who could afford it….. and you took the test drive with me! They would consider that you did not apply for the car! They would take into account that I cannot afford the car! This is the same difference with child support. If you the woman are making a decision with your body that your wallet cannot support, you should not be allowed to keep posession of the child. The child should be given to the father, and if he does not want it, to the state. After all, when the state takes children from the mother, she is not asked to pay child support to the Foster parents! I think that if you are allowed choices, then men, where there was no privelege of marriage, should be allowed to walk away. Bastard children are not on the same level as covenant children. If you don’t agree, read Genesis 21 and 22. Abraham had a bastard child named Ishmael. His presensce began to cause problems in the marriage. God told Abraham not to be saddened about the bondage woman (Haggar the baby mama) and his Seed (Ishmael) but instead to drop them off in the desert and he would take care of them.! He later commends Abraham for his willingness to sacrifice his ONLY son Isaac on the mountain. what is the difference between Ishmael and Isaac? They were both sons of Abraham. Still God did not refer to Ishmael as a Son but as a seed! God must uphold the order that he himself instituted. If he gave the same status to Ishmael that he gave Isaac, he would then spit on the institution of marriage himself. Membership has its privaleges. In short, the ineterest of children hasno bearing on the sanctity of marriage. What God put together let o man put assunder. Placing this obligation on an act of abomination puts marriage assunder. And the women who take part in this are cursed. Statistics show that they are less likely to marry, and the free money child support they recieve is not landing them on Wall street!
Strange huh!
I say there should be NO child support forced upon a father of out-of -wed lock children. This will teach women to have standards and protect the interest of their children.
If you were a husband, then you better stick with those children and find a way to keep the family together.

]]> By: Matt http://debtprison.net/wordpress/227/a-fathers-views-on-child-support-law/comment-page-1/#comment-10996 Matt Tue, 05 Jan 2010 06:42:32 +0000 http://debtprison.net/wordpress/?p=227#comment-10996 I fully understand, and want you to know you are not alone. I don't have any advice for you other than to do whatever you can to keep your sanity, move forward any way possible, and stay capable of being in the lives of your children, even if it will be years in the future. They are worth it, as I have learned, but the system empowers women to destroy the man, his relationship with his children, or both. You will be left with a choice of which will be destroyed, and no one can judge you if you let the relationship fall, as you will suffer immeasurably if you do not, as I have, but whatever you do, don't let both die. Also, expect no help as a single father if you are by some miracle blessed with the custody of your children, the system does not value you, you have to do it yourself, unlike all single mothers the system falls over backwards to help. You are not alone. I fully understand, and want you to know you are not alone. I don’t have any advice for you other than to do whatever you can to keep your sanity, move forward any way possible, and stay capable of being in the lives of your children, even if it will be years in the future. They are worth it, as I have learned, but the system empowers women to destroy the man, his relationship with his children, or both. You will be left with a choice of which will be destroyed, and no one can judge you if you let the relationship fall, as you will suffer immeasurably if you do not, as I have, but whatever you do, don’t let both die. Also, expect no help as a single father if you are by some miracle blessed with the custody of your children, the system does not value you, you have to do it yourself, unlike all single mothers the system falls over backwards to help. You are not alone.

]]> By: Bob http://debtprison.net/wordpress/227/a-fathers-views-on-child-support-law/comment-page-1/#comment-10945 Bob Sat, 02 Jan 2010 19:39:41 +0000 http://debtprison.net/wordpress/?p=227#comment-10945 I would like to comment as a man that has had his life and that of his children ruined by an evil woman empowered by a system hellbent on destruction of anything good. My ex was allowed to move in criminals, drug addicts and whatever slug she could find, while my life was under scrutiny even for having my kids in the company of my then girlfriend. I fought and went bankrupt twice trying to get the court to hear me. It was the arrearage from an unfair system that was the concern of the court. Even though child support and visitation was supposed to be two separate issues, the stature before a judge of a man fallen behind on support is that of a deadbeat. The system is evil and because no moral judgment is made, the system should be shut down. The government should not be in the business of administering child support. In any given county in America, there is the largest building in the county seat and that building holds the child support agency. Many resources are expended in a heartless endeavor that does destroy the lives of the children. No morality = evil. The courts are evil entities. I am in agreement that folks having children out of wedlock should be ashamed (even though I know that I have done it - I know and have learned). The court system should not be involved in a support role of something with such negative affects on society. The courts should prosecute crime and not the fathers of children. No, it is not fair that a man lays down and gets a gal pregnant, but it is not fair that a woman lays down and gets pregnant. Money will not make the situation any better but it will help pay the bills. A system that enslaves the man and empowers the woman will not make the life of the child any better. I have been a non-custodial parent and paid and I have been a custodial parent (single parent) and have received nothing. It was not worth it to me to see the woman anymore and she disappeared. She would have only been ordered to pay $5 a week and I did not want her around. The court really does make everything worse. I think government can only mess up anything it touches because of the lack of morality of the State. I would like to comment as a man that has had his life and that of his children ruined by an evil woman empowered by a system hellbent on destruction of anything good. My ex was allowed to move in criminals, drug addicts and whatever slug she could find, while my life was under scrutiny even for having my kids in the company of my then girlfriend. I fought and went bankrupt twice trying to get the court to hear me. It was the arrearage from an unfair system that was the concern of the court. Even though child support and visitation was supposed to be two separate issues, the stature before a judge of a man fallen behind on support is that of a deadbeat. The system is evil and because no moral judgment is made, the system should be shut down. The government should not be in the business of administering child support. In any given county in America, there is the largest building in the county seat and that building holds the child support agency. Many resources are expended in a heartless endeavor that does destroy the lives of the children.

No morality = evil. The courts are evil entities. I am in agreement that folks having children out of wedlock should be ashamed (even though I know that I have done it – I know and have learned). The court system should not be involved in a support role of something with such negative affects on society. The courts should prosecute crime and not the fathers of children. No, it is not fair that a man lays down and gets a gal pregnant, but it is not fair that a woman lays down and gets pregnant. Money will not make the situation any better but it will help pay the bills. A system that enslaves the man and empowers the woman will not make the life of the child any better.

I have been a non-custodial parent and paid and I have been a custodial parent (single parent) and have received nothing. It was not worth it to me to see the woman anymore and she disappeared. She would have only been ordered to pay $5 a week and I did not want her around. The court really does make everything worse. I think government can only mess up anything it touches because of the lack of morality of the State.

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