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Archive for February, 2009

This website does not administer legal or financial advice. The contents of this website are my opinions on collection agencies and how to deal with them. Nothing on this website should be interpreted as legal advice or council. No opinions on this website should be used to replace the advice of your financial advisor or your legal council.

How do you stop a bill collector from calling you constantly… especially if the person they want to talk to doesn’t even live there? Such is the case with FSK over at FSK’s Guide to Reality. It seems the collection agency wants to get in touch with FSK’s sister, and she doesn’t live with FSK. Despite telling them repeatedly that she doesn’t live there, they continue the constant bombardment of phone calls. The interesting thing about this situation is that the collection agency is not calling a number where they can reach the debtor. There are ways to stop the phone calls – but you have to get serious with them. You should be able to stop the phone calls without getting a lawyer involved.

To file a complaint with FTC regarding a collection agency click here or call toll free at 1-877-FTC-HELP.

A bill collector has to stop calling your place of employment if you request them to – this request should be done verbally and in writing. Why are they calling despite the verbal request to stop? This is harassment and harassment is what pays their bills! They’re hoping FSK (or anybody) will pay this debt to end the phone calls.

I have an amusing anecdote about a debt collector.  My sister gave my parent’s phone number on a credit application, or they somehow got it.  According to my sister, she legitimately canceled a service but they kept billing her anyway.  Now, a collection agency owns the debt.  They’re using a dirty tactic you haven’t mentioned on your website.

The debt collector calls *ALL THE TIME*.  I told them “She doesn’t live here anymore.  Please stop calling this number.”  Whenever I say “Please stop calling”, they immediately disconnect the phone call, pretending they didn’t hear.  The debt appears to keep getting passed to different collection agencies, or the agency keeps trying different tactics.

If I tell Agency A “Please stop calling”, and the debt is sold to Agency B, then does my “Please stop calling” request still count?

I’m pretty sure this falls under “abusive debt collection practices”.  However, it isn’t practical to sue.  The person they’re calling *DOES NOT LIVE HERE*, and they hang up the phone whenever I say “She doesn’t live here” or “Please stop calling”.  By dropping the call and pretending to not hear, they’re probably technically not violating the law.  They have plausible deniability “I never heard FSK say ‘Please stop calling!’”

Well let’s see what we can come up with for this nasty, nasty problem. First of all, every time the debt moves to another collection agency you have to start all over again with any requests… just as though they are the first collector to get their hands on your debt. This means writing ‘cease and desist’ letters and recording/documenting their calls (if you want to sue them).

There are a couple of options here that will work for FSK and these pesky collectors. The first is to identify who the collector is. One way to do that is to ask them. Now there’s only certain information that they’ll give to someone, over the phone, whom is not the debtor. However, according to the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act the collector is required, if you ask them, to identify their employer.

(1) identify himself, state that he is confirming or correcting location information concerning the consumer, and, only if expressly requested, identify his employer;

Cease and Desist Letter

You can also request their address, but there is nothing in the FDCPA that requires them to provide you with the address. You could ask them what state they are calling from and then look the address up. You want their address so you can write them a ‘limited cease and desist’ letter. The letter should be sent registered U.S. mail with return receipt. This way you have proof that they received the letter.

I would like to request, in writing, that no telephone contact be made by your offices to my home or to my place of employment. If your offices attempt telephone communication with me, including but not limited to computer generated calls and calls or correspondence sent to or with any third parties, it will be documented and considered harassment. All future communications with me must be done in writing and sent to the address noted in this letter by USPS.

Now bear in mind that this letter would only by legal if it is signed by the debtor. This letter should slow the phone calls down or eliminate them. Another way to get their address would be for FSK to ask his sister to get a free copy of her credit report at http://annualcreditreport.com. The collection agency’s name and address may be visible on the credit report.

Documenting the Calls

If they continue to call you can document the calls using a program like “phone tray” which works by plugging your phone line into the back of a pc. Phone Tray then works like a caller i.d., documenting all calls and call times in a format that can be printed off. Now you can document all of their calls on paper. Also, you can purchase a phone recorder like this one. It’s around $45.00 and has a variety of uses besides recording bill collectors. Some states require you to inform the other party that the call is being recorded. Twelve states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties to a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington.

You can answer the calls and tell them to stop calling and record the conversations. At this point you should have documented the calls on paper and possibly have phone recordings which clearly demonstrate these facts.

At this point, after ten or so calls, I would make copies of the caller i.d. archive and audio of the phone conversations. Now you need to send these copies to the collection agency using registered mail. You would also attach a letter which explains that the collection agency has continued calling despite requests to stop. You consider this harassment and hope to avoid a legal suit against their office if they will simply stop calling your home.

This should stop the calls and if not you can always opt to have a law office write letters on your behalf.

If the debt gets passed to another collection agency then this process starts all over.

Discuss this article and meet new people at Debt Prison Forums.

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Sporting 1.5 million souls (70% of which are randy men) the United Arab Emirates, or UAE, is home to one of the earth’s most popular regions for debtor’s prisons. If you’re a man, you’ll need a lot of debt, to buy junk with so you can outmaneuver and outrun those other young bucks, who are competing with you for the handful of beautif women not ‘married-off’ already in some sort of a family arrangement. The other women, the immigrant workers, are probably indebted to their employers and you’ll have to buy them off…. just for a date in your new Escalade, which you signed away your life for. What a bargain… just kidding. Defaulted debt in the UAE won’t die until the debtor does. There is no debt settlement or bankruptcy. I was originally going to write this article about just the debtor’s prison in the UAE, but after a little research I realized that I needed to include more information regarding their issuance of credit.

This website does not administer legal or financial advice. The contents of this website are my opinions on collection agencies and how to deal with them. Nothing on this website should be interpreted as legal advice or council. No opinions on this website should be used to replace the advice of your financial advisor or your legal council.

Your word is credit

The UAE doesn’t have credit reporting agencies like Equifax (yet) because they still try and manage the country’s affairs pretending as though they live in a desert wilderness, void of any skyscrapers or pocketbook hustlers. The credit industry, if you want to call it that, doesn’t believe it’s their business to hover over your credit report. These reporting agencies are impersonal and are not part of a legitimate business contract between two human beings… hence they do not exist. You can literally get personal loans for up to $68,000 with nothing more than your word and a blank check.

The rising personal wealth, real estate boom, and bubbling petroleum brooks, will often lead average consumers in the UAE to bite off more debt than they can chew. In the UAE, like much of the Arab world, you are expected to honor your word. Who they hell do these Arabs think they are? We certainly don’t need any of that type of attitude floating around here in the U.S.. Yes you are expected to honor your word, and with it, you can have access to much more credit than you should logically have. In this regard, the United States and the UAE are similar.

Their system of personal checks

In the UAE, if your check bounces they will put you in jail. Credit is extended to you in a series of IOU’s. For example, if I want to buy a car for $10,000 and make payments for two years then I will have to write 24 checks – in advance! I will give the creditor 24 checks in the amount of $416.66 and dated in advance for each month I would be making payments. The bank then deposits each check in the month for which it was written.

It is illegal to write a blank check in the UAE… or at least to have such a blank check, signed by you to be cashed. Therefore when taking out large personal loans, the bank will require you to hand them a signed check with a blank amount. Their logic is simple enough: fail to pay them and they cash the check – which leads to your arrest and imprisonment. They may simply make you serve 3 months for the charge of writing a blank check. But if you cannot pay the loan, or find someone to pay it for you, the prison may become your new home. In fact, as I write this article 30-40% of those imprisoned in Dubai’s central jail, are there for not having paid their debt.

A good portion of the law enforcement’s time is wrapped up chasing defaulting debtors. In the UAE there is no such thing as filing for bankruptcy.

Here’s how the imprisonment would play out

You’re new in town, and hoping to impress the only three single (of age) female immigrants left in Dubai. You borrow $50,000 for some new duds and a used BMW. You’ve got a good-paying job building skyscrapers which provides a much needed shadow for those baking in the sun over at the debtor’s prison. Well times get tight because you blew too much money impressing the one remaining single female (the other two were deported because they had hepatitis) and your boss, who frequently abuses foreign infidel workers (like you), drops your pay so he can afford a new vacation to America… where he’ll cheat on his four wives.

The creditors begin calling you - and since you don’t have the money to make your monthly payments you ignore their calls. Finally the creditor, tired of trying to convince you to pay the debt, files suit against you. You ignore the court summons because you are broke, so the court puts out a warrant for your arrest. The debtor is arrested and sits in jail until the debt is paid. The debtor could also have ended up in jail, if the tired bill collector, submitted your blank check to the bank. Either way you are arrested and sitting in jail until the debt is paid. You cannot get out of jail so you can work and repay the debt. You will remain in jail until a relative, charity group, wealthy businessman or even a member of the ruling family pays the debt. It’s a good thing you built that skyscraper for the shade is oh so cool.

Planning on leaving the UAE with defaulted debt to escape payment? I wouldn’t go back because they’ll blacklist your passport and arrest you at the airport upon reentry. Straight to jail with your sorry butt! In fact the entire Middle East can be a problem for you since neighboring countries may extradite you back to the Dubai creditors. Debt in the UAE never dies, it never goes away.

If you want folks to honor their word the UAE’s debt prison may seem a logical course of action. I think it certainly makes people think twice before using credit, and that I believe is a very good thing. The largest problem for all of us, including those in the UAE, is the reverence a bustling economy places on the availability of credit. We need to save and pay cash, not splurge and use credit. An artificial economy which relies heavily on the relaxed availability of credit… has the side effect of creating a debt prison for those attempting to chisel out an existence in an impelling world.

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The amount of debt you settle may be taxable by Federal and State Government. Most people are not aware that if the amount of settled debt surpasses $600, the IRS considers this taxable income. If you have settled with a creditor on a debt, they should send you a 1099-C tax form. This form will list the amount of forgiven debt and the interest. This was a surprise to me: the idea of our government demanding payment from those of us who can least afford to give (sarcasm intended). The IRS last updated Publication 908, which states in regards to settled debt, or forgiven debt, if a debt is cancelled or forgiven the debtor generally must include the forgiven amount in gross income for tax purposes.

See also, all of my articles on collection agencies.

1099-c

Now keep in mind that debt that is discharged due to bankruptcy is not considered forgiven debt, according to Publication 908. So if you filed bankruptcy on some debt, those forgiven debt amounts are not considered income by the government. However,

If the amount of debt you owe is greater than your assets, meaning you are insolvent, the IRS does not require you to report the forgiven debt. But, you cannot exclude any amount of forgiven debt that is more than the amount by which you are insolvent.

So if you owed Bank of America $6,000 and they settled for $2,500 (you lucky dog), then you could expect a 1099-c from BOA explaining the forgiven debt of $3,500. See also, How to Settle Your Debts on Your Own.

What if you decide not to report it?

Hey no problem if you don’t want to claim this forgiven debt as income… however, you should know that the IRS was also given a copy of the 1099-c by BOA… so they know about the income. Maybe they’ll just flag you for an audit.

3 Instances when you don’t have to claim forgiven debt

This is from www.3debtconsolidation.com

There are 3 situations under which forgiven debt is NOT included in your taxable income:

1) Battled Contest
If you dispute an amount charged on your credit card and win the debt settlement, you are excluded from the Discharge of Indebtedness (DOI Income) rule. For example, Visa might say you owe $1500 in credit card debt due to a recent purchase of expensive shoes. You know you haven’t purchased those shoes and dispute the bill and the court case goes on for weeks. In the end, you agree to pay Visa $150 to reach a debt settlement. Since your debt owed has legally been reduced from $1500 to $150, you would be liable for the DOI income rule. However, since you won this case by a protest or a dispute (in court or verbal settlement), you are NOT required to include this amount as part of your taxable income.

2) Bankruptcy Declaration
When you’ve declared bankruptcy and are making for example only 10% of the original debt payments you owed, the other 90% is excluded from the Discharge of Indebtedness Income rule.

3) Insolvent Financial Condition
When you are insolvent, meaning your liabilities owed exceed your total assets, you are not required to pay any tax on any debt reduction or debt settlement benefits you receive.

Discuss this article and meet new people at Debt Prison Forums.

Related Articles

* What is a Junk Debt Buyer?

* Restrictions on Wage Garnishment for Debt Collection.

* The Fair Debt Collection Practices Act

* Reasons not to file Bankruptcy or Settle Your Debts

* Can you go to jail for not paying your debts?

* How to settle your debts on your own

* How to deal with collection agencies

* Sample Debt Validation Letter